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Looks beautiful, but by the time the creatures shows up, it turns cartoonish. Again, beautiful but not photo realistic IMO. Maybe in 3D the effect would be better though. And the big screen will hopefuly give us all the little details that makes a CG creature more real looking. Trailers on PC are no good for CG creature (see CG Arnold from T4 who looked good on theater but not so good on the trailer on my PC, in my opinion) Anyway, I still hope for a great movie and story.
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It looks very good. From the trailer I gathered the story which reminds me of the short story called CALL ME JOE by Poul Anderson.
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well, I cant say I am in love w/ the CGI of the creatures and the big blue people but it still looks like a decent film and should be a great story.
the planet surface and interior human ships look great though. alot of aliens/abyss type architecture/set pieces
despite being iffy on the CGI I am still psyched.
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It looks good in parts, but yeah, there will be overage of CG in this. I'm actually not a CG hater. I believe it's a tool like every other filmmaking tool. I just prefer a blend of effects. It would have been more interesting if they shot this on a real location and used CG to add more fantastic details. Just my take. But yeah, i'll be there to see it.
I am not saying it makes for a bad film, but Cameron shouldn't have praised the CGI work as 'photorealistic' when IMO, it isnt quite there yet.
The Navi look like something out of Attack of the Clones
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Who cares if the whole thing is CGI, if the story is good?
Would puppets and claymation make this a better movie?
I think it looks f#*king epic.
Personally I prefer puppets and real effects to cgi but cgi can work if it's done well. I just watched the french trailer and the cgi looks god-awful. It felt like I was watching a videogame cutscene or something.
did you watch it in HD? It does look CG'd but I dont think it looks aweful, just not photorealistic
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Definitely doesn't look photorealistic, but then it's not something we're used to seeing. I think the oddity of the avatar's/aliens makes it hard to judge the photorealism. The trailer shots may not be fully rendered yet too, as was the case in several CGI-laden movie trailer (Revenge of the Fallen comes to mind). I think it definitely looks better than game cutscenes (esp the 1080p version). Will have to wait and see it in the theater before making final judgement.
I think part of the reason why the effects don't look photoreal is because the character design is far enough out there that it breaks the suspension of disbelief. Especially when humans and Na'vi mix.
Also, I've been testing some aged film techniques and I used Avatar as a test clip. Couldn't find a place to post this, so the main movie thread should do.
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I think part of the reason why the effects don't look photoreal is because the character design is far enough out there that it breaks the suspension of disbelief. Especially when humans and Na'vi mix.
Exactly. You don't believe it, because you've never seen anything like it in the real world.
As far as the aging clip goes, seems pretty decent, but there's a little too much "dirt", imo.
I think part of the reason why the effects don't look photoreal is because the character design is far enough out there that it breaks the suspension of disbelief. Especially when humans and Na'vi mix.
Exactly. You don't believe it, because you've never seen anything like it in the real world.
As far as the aging clip goes, seems pretty decent, but there's a little too much "dirt", imo.
I dont buy that, the aliens from district 9 looked closer to what I'd call "photorealistic" and they arent anything I have seen either.
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So people think they look better after thirty seconds of photoshop work? I think that proves that it's not the CG people have a problem with, just the inhuman coloring.
Same hill The Hulk had to climb.
Personally, I think they look just fine. Hope the movie is good.
I think part of the reason why the effects don't look photoreal is because the character design is far enough out there that it breaks the suspension of disbelief. Especially when humans and Na'vi mix.
Exactly. You don't believe it, because you've never seen anything like it in the real world.
As far as the aging clip goes, seems pretty decent, but there's a little too much "dirt", imo.
I don't buy that, the aliens from district 9 looked closer to what I'd call "photorealistic" and they arent anything I have seen either.
Exactly.... Look, the movie is probably good... I'm just trying to say maybe Cameron should have kept his "King of the world" speeches to himself this time. He hasn't done a narrative film in quite awhile.... I think a lot of people want to see him do it again, so it's good he's back in the game.
However, I recall being excited about a filmmaker returning to take the helm again....And it didn't go well..... (cough...GEORGE LUCAS....cough.)
In all seriousness... I'll be there to see the flick, and I hope he really does give us a great story.
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elbarto1 wrote:
reave wrote:
Tubes wrote:
I think part of the reason why the effects don't look photoreal is because the character design is far enough out there that it breaks the suspension of disbelief. Especially when humans and Na'vi mix.
Exactly. You don't believe it, because you've never seen anything like it in the real world.
As far as the aging clip goes, seems pretty decent, but there's a little too much "dirt", imo.
I dont buy that, the aliens from district 9 looked closer to what I'd call "photorealistic" and they arent anything I have seen either.
Right, I agree that the D9 aliens were easier to digest, but I think that's because they in no way were humanoid, more prawn-like.
Now that the 15 minutes (or so) 3D footages has been shown, a lots of positives reviews arise: - I’m here to admit one thing (after complaining about Avatar's CGI)... : I was wrong, and Cameron was right. The trailer and even artwork and pictures, are completely misleading... I saw the footage on IMAX, and man... I’m eating my words now... Avatar it going to be THE MOVIE EVENT of the decade... My hope is restored and I’m a believer... (not that anybody cares) My recommendation to all complainers (like I used to be)? Do not judge Avatar just jet...
- I have seen the AVATAR preview in 3D in IMAX, and it was impressive. The Navi were convincing, though not perfect. At least not all the time. In some instances, they looked like real actors with prosthetic make-up on.
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Thats what I was hoping to hear. your comments are echoed by almost everyone over on IMDb that claim to have seen the IMAX preview. I have not but am glad to hear that the 2D internet trailer doesnt do the film justice. Thanks for the info TMBTM!
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Thats what I was hoping to hear. your comments are echoed by almost everyone over on IMDb that claim to have seen the IMAX preview. I have not but am glad to hear that the 2D internet trailer doesnt do the film justice. Thanks for the info TMBTM!
I guess Cameron knew that a 2D teaser on a PC screen would not make a good hype. That's why he made the "avatar day" with the 15 minutes 3D preview. To balance the possible bad feedbacks about the teaser (although it is quite good overall).
With the teaser you keep everyone hope a bit low (always good for a movie, so you're pleasantely surprised in the end) but you still have positive reviews about the 3D 15 minutes preview so people keep their interest on it and wants to make their own opinion by themselves on december. Smart... very smart...
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I don't think the 3D will make a bit of difference to me because 3D has never worked for me. I've tried watching 3D movies with the red/blue glasses and I couldn't even see the picture properly, might have something to do with one eye being weaker than the other, and even when I went to see My Bloody Valentine 3D at the movies all the RealD 3D glasses did for me was stabilize the picture.
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I don't think the 3D will make a bit of difference to me because 3D has never worked for me. I've tried watching 3D movies with the red/blue glasses and I couldn't even see the picture properly, might have something to do with one eye being weaker than the other, and even when I went to see My Bloody Valentine 3D at the movies all the RealD 3D glasses did for me was stabilize the picture.
Problem with the red and blue glasses was that you need the exact good tint to watch the movie properly. Other than that you still see a bit of the second picture where you should not. Not to mention that at that time the directors tried to make the effect bigger by emphasis the difference between the two pictures which resulted in an impossibility to focus the eyes on one point. A total mess most of the time. Now I only saw 2 movies in recent 3D (Ice Age 3 and Up) and the 3D was VERY good. Best I ever seen. You see that the effect guys took care not too have over the top 3D all the time.
But if you have a weaker eye I guess you may have problems to see 3D indeed.
One funny stupid thing I tried was to watch about 15 minutes of a movie with one eye closed... I don't know if I imagine things, but I have the feeling that the brain try to recreate a kind of 3D sens. So after 5 minutes it was almost like I was watching a 3D movie on my simple TV! But I have a lot of imagination...
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What type of glasses are required for avatar? surely not the old B/R ones? I saw superman returns in Imax 3D and we had those polarized glasses. also, is the whole film (avatar) in 3d or just select scenes? because those glasses give me a headache.
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lol, they look much better that way tubes.
